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ilBaku
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FDAD wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:46 am
How do you usually charge your car?
The first 5-6 months I often used public DC charging. Maybe was 50% DC charging, and 50% AC charging. During the last 10 months I mostly charge at home. When I can I use public AC charging, and I use DC charging only if I need it in a long trip.
Daily home charging is set at 80%, and once a week I charge at 100%. I never go under 20% of the battery in the daily usage

UPDATE*
other info: I have traveled 20,000 km. Considering that the battery should last at least 1000 cycles if not 1500, in theory it should do between 180,000 and 270,000 km before losing 30% of its capacity.
Having already lost almost 8%, if it continued at this rate it would make just 80,000 and it would take 4 years. I'd be within the warranty either way, but I'd rather have a battery that lasted for what it was designed to.

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ilBaku wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:45 pm
FDAD wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:46 am
How do you usually charge your car?
The first 5-6 months I often used public DC charging. Maybe was 50% DC charging, and 50% AC charging. During the last 10 months I mostly charge at home. When I can I use public AC charging, and I use DC charging only if I need it in a long trip.
Daily home charging is set at 80%, and once a week I charge at 100%. I never go under 20% of the battery in the daily usage

UPDATE*
other info: I have traveled 20,000 km. Considering that the battery should last at least 1000 cycles if not 1500, in theory it should do between 180,000 and 270,000 km before losing 30% of its capacity.
Having already lost almost 8%, if it continued at this rate it would make just 80,000 and it would take 4 years. I'd be within the warranty either way, but I'd rather have a battery that lasted for what it was designed to.
Seems like normal use.... when i used Power Check Control for the first time the car had already gone probably the same kms as you and read 98/99% I believe...
I now have 66666 kms and will try to get a new reading from Power Check Control.
Honda E advance [Modern Steel Metallic] 8-) [DELIVERED JULY 2020] - 95 000Kms + ✌️🎂
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I also use PCK and I mainly charge at home with 2kW and keep it generally from 35% to 65% average with occasionally up to 100% maybe 2 times every 3 months. Some short DC charging of about 30% or so when needed. So it means I take care of the battery but I got these results
First reading after 14 months
25000km - 89.3%
29000km - 87.3%
32400km - 87.7%
35700kkm - 87.7%
39700km - 87.0%
43800km - 88.2%
45400km - 88.4%
At 100% last week it showed me 27.6kWh. There was a time it showed me 27.0kWh
So do not be alarmed if it goes down suddenly. It will stop and won't keep going down. How much accurate it is I do not know but it looks it is recovering back now lol.
I do not notice any loss of percentage when the car is not in use so as long as it keeps it charge I won't worry too much. I had a Hybrid for 8 years before and I noticed the battery started loosing SOC while stationary increasingly through the years. And I had to replace the battery after 8 years. It was just a 1kWh battery with no active cooling so I am confident with the Honda battery.
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FDAD wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:22 pm
ilBaku wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:45 pm
FDAD wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:46 am
How do you usually charge your car?
The first 5-6 months I often used public DC charging. Maybe was 50% DC charging, and 50% AC charging. During the last 10 months I mostly charge at home. When I can I use public AC charging, and I use DC charging only if I need it in a long trip.
Daily home charging is set at 80%, and once a week I charge at 100%. I never go under 20% of the battery in the daily usage

UPDATE*
other info: I have traveled 20,000 km. Considering that the battery should last at least 1000 cycles if not 1500, in theory it should do between 180,000 and 270,000 km before losing 30% of its capacity.
Having already lost almost 8%, if it continued at this rate it would make just 80,000 and it would take 4 years. I'd be within the warranty either way, but I'd rather have a battery that lasted for what it was designed to.
Seems like normal use.... when i used Power Check Control for the first time the car had already gone probably the same kms as you and read 98/99% I believe...
I now have 66666 kms and will try to get a new reading from Power Check Control.
I forgot I already had a trial licence for testing so it won't let me use it again.
Honda E advance [Modern Steel Metallic] 8-) [DELIVERED JULY 2020] - 95 000Kms + ✌️🎂
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After 8 months I used PCK again and surprisingly the result is 94.9%: 30 months of life and 37800 km. The previous scan dated back to last September: 92.3% and 27600 km, but throughout 2023 the results have always been around 92%. I didn't expect such a recovery of 2.6%. It is practically the same result that PCK detected when I did the first scan after exactly 1 year of the car's life
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ilBaku wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 8:34 pm After 8 months I used PCK again and surprisingly the result is 94.9%: 30 months of life and 37800 km. The previous scan dated back to last September: 92.3% and 27600 km, but throughout 2023 the results have always been around 92%. I didn't expect such a recovery of 2.6%. It is practically the same result that PCK detected when I did the first scan after exactly 1 year of the car's life
Mine has been always between 87% and 88% , up and down on PCK. SOH is just a calculation and I do not think it is reliable. Every app has it's own calculation.
Did you try with Car Scanner app? It tells me 79.82% SOH. Mine has 70000km
With Car scanner it shows you the actual SOC too, not only the one on the dashboard. It has more data. I use it with carlinkit tbox plus and it looks cool on the main screen of the car.
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Post by ilBaku »

Reuben80 wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 12:07 pm
ilBaku wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 8:34 pm
Mine has been always between 87% and 88% , up and down on PCK. SOH is just a calculation and I do not think it is reliable. Every app has it's own calculation.
Did you try with Car Scanner app? It tells me 79.82% SOH. Mine has 70000km
With Car scanner it shows you the actual SOC too, not only the one on the dashboard. It has more data. I use it with carlinkit tbox plus and it looks cool on the main screen of the car.
yes, every now and then I also use Car Scanner and ABRP which give me an identical battery SOH to each other and much lower than PCC. Currently at 83.9% (43700 km, 34 months old), while the latest PCC scan tells me 92,5%.
But I hypothesize that PCC calculates the battery capacity with respect to the usable part only, while Car Scanner and ABRP do it with respect to the gross battery (35.5 kWh). In fact, if I do 35.5 kWh x 83.9% = 29.78 kWh of maximum capacity. When I charge the car to 100% those are more or less the kWh indicated by PCC (yesterday it was 29.066 kWh, but a couple of months ago it also gave 29.6 kWh). Curious to know at this point whether Honda considers the wear and tear of the battery net or gross for the warranty. If it were gross there would be the risk of reaching below 70% before 8 years or 160,000 km. Which is why I'm led to believe that Honda considers wear on only the usable part like PCC does
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Post by happyV »

Or you could just take a look at my source-code?
https://github.com/DanielH1987/HONDAeInsight
But I didn't reverse-engineer everything.
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