Air conditioning compressor shortcycling?

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Benji
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Post by Benji »

Hi! I bought the car used at about 9000 km and since the purchase I have wondered the AC. It seems that when AC is on, the compressor starts and stops all the time, making quite unhealthy type of sound. The AC does work well though.

Typically short cycling on AC compressors is considered to be a bad thing, but of course car compressors might work differently. Does this sound like normal behvaiour to you?

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londiniumperson
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Post by londiniumperson »

Mine shorts cycle occasionally; you say that the your car's compressor starts and stops all the time, can you clarify? Do you mean as soon as you turn the car on before you start driving, whilst driving and after a drive, every single time?
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Post by Benji »

londiniumperson wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 8:01 pm Mine shorts cycle occasionally; you say that the your car's compressor starts and stops all the time, can you clarify? Do you mean as soon as you turn the car on before you start driving, whilst driving and after a drive, every single time?
It does that all the time. When I start to drive the car, while I drive the car until I turn the power off. Only way to make it stop is to of course turn AC off completely. Sometimes it sounds to spin faster though, but it always shortcycles.
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Post by EEEE »

Mine is the same - quite annoying that the fan control is not more integrated (eg variable speed fan control).
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Post by Verone »

A lot of EVs function like this with a short cycle to maintain temperature more accurately, because their compressors are direct driven.

In 99.9% of cases with an ICE car, the AC compressor is clutched in on an accessory (serpentine) belt, and the cycles are longer to prevent premature wear on the clutch that's in their pulley, and to minimize additional wear on the other associated pullies and idlers (alternator, PAS pump, and sometimes the water pump if it's not run off the timing belt) on the same belt as the load increases and decreases on the belt.

In an EV, there's no accessory belt to worry about, so no clutch, it's literally just switching a motor on and off. I have a mate with an electric Kona, and he thought there was something wrong with it because it was behaving exactly the same way and he could hear it when it was in his garage.

It's weird when you're used to an ICE car, but it's perfectly normal.
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Hi,

in additional to the short cycles, i experience 2 annoying things :(
- when compressor starts the noise can be easily perceived in the car;
- I do feel vibrations in the car's body every time the compressor starts. without ac on everything is fine.

asks please:
- do you experience the same ?
- any actions you or the workshop took to fix it ?
- should i expect this to be covered by guarantee ?

thank you
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Post by peniole »

Our hybrid, which has a direct driven AC (no acc. belt) also behaves the same. Normal.
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Post by hondaero »

thank you for the reply.

however the vibrations should NOT be normal as they have appeared 10 months after using the car.
any additional thoughts ?

i will investigate in workshop on Monday anyway.

thank you
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Post by MaXPainT »

I can clearly hear the compressor cycling when I am in a stationary car. This is true both for heating and cooling. The sound might be preceived as vibration since nothing else is moving on the car at that point, but I wouldn't say that it makes a concerning amount of "vibration". So the sound is normal, the vibration is difficult to tell since it is subjective. Please keep us updated on your findings.
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Post by Fed »

Same behavior observed on mine, 2020 model.
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