Keyless entry / fob configuration

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green1
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I have a few questions relating to the keyless system and to what extent the car allows it to be configured. I haven't played around with this enough yet, I probably need to before writing this but I think most of my questions should remain the same.

I always want the car to power off automatically if I exit the car with the fob (even if I don't lock the car with the fob after leaving it, since it does not do this automatically I think, is there an option for this?). So I must keep the 'Auto Power ON/OFF' feature enabled (Page 198 of manual). I am also assuming that there is a time gap here, that although the car powers off it doesn't just shut everything off the moment the fob is a little out of the car, that it will stay powered on until I walk sufficiently far away from the car for a long enough period, which I haven't tested but the specifics are probably not configurable, fine.

But I never want the car to power on automatically when I enter the car with the fob, where the car was auto-powered off by the fob leaving the car when I last left it and then locked with the fob button. I always want to use the Start/stop button to start the car. Page 198 of the manual states that if I turn the car off with the Start/stop button before leaving it, then this will accomplish that, but then obviously there is no auto-power off since I'm offing it manually instead.

So is there a way to always use the Start/stop button to turn the car on (Manual Power ON), but to allow the Auto Power OFF function only?

Also is there a button combination to disable the fob itself / put it into energy saver so it can't be relayed and doesn't need to be put in a shielded pouch (not that anyone would get very far jacking an E, I doubt a single one has been stolen :lol:). The Mk4 Jazz has a function to do this https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=13105.0 , I tried the same combo on my fob and it doesn't appear to do anything, also found nothing in the manual.

Thanks all.

Edited, separately does anyone know what the 'outer handle pop-out setting' does, I thought this would disable the pop-out when the car was unlocked or door opened, but it doesn't do that. Manual says it's supposed to "activate the custom settings on key fob for the outer handle auto pop-out function", what does this mean?

5thcivic
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Post by 5thcivic »

No the E fob was before the Jazz fob, so it can't be turned off unfortunately. I keep it in a small faraday pouch out and about and a Faraday box at home.
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p.s. the only way to have a covenient fob off is to spend around £100 or so on one of the motion sense button batteries. These are supposed to switch the key off in your pocket if it is not shaken too much, but turn on again when you return to the car by tapping your pocket with the key inside. However it takes a minute or so to turn off after leaving the car so may still be vulnerable during this time, or could turn on again in your pocket with a push or a shove. Why manufacturers cannot put a small slide switch on the fob to disable wireless when relay theft is becoming so common is against all sense and logic.
Man-e
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Post by Man-e »

green1 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 10:35 pm
Edited, separately does anyone know what the 'outer handle pop-out setting' does, I thought this would disable the pop-out when the car was unlocked or door opened, but it doesn't do that. Manual says it's supposed to "activate the custom settings on key fob for the outer handle auto pop-out function", what does this mean?
The handle pop-out setting turns of the welcome handle pop-out when you walk up to the car. They will still pop-out if you unlock with the remote fob and retract when locking or on drive off.
green1
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Post by green1 »

Thanks all, that answers my questions 8-).
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Post by green1 »

Thanks all, that answers my questions 8-). I think I might disable the auto power on/off feature and see how I get on with that then.
5thcivic wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 1:39 pm p.s. the only way to have a covenient fob off is to spend around £100 or so on one of the motion sense button batteries. These are supposed to switch the key off in your pocket if it is not shaken too much, but turn on again when you return to the car by tapping your pocket with the key inside. However it takes a minute or so to turn off after leaving the car so may still be vulnerable during this time, or could turn on again in your pocket with a push or a shove. Why manufacturers cannot put a small slide switch on the fob to disable wireless when relay theft is becoming so common is against all sense and logic.
One additional question about relay theft, when I refer to keyless entry, I'm talking about the proximity unlock, and then secondly the inside-car proximity auto-on/auto-ignition. If the car is powered off using the button, that is disabling the proximity unlock and the auto-on isn't it; I now need to click the fob unlock button, then click the engine on button to start the car.

When the engine on button is pressed, the car must be looking for the presence of the fob in the car just like it would for the normal keyless entry, but it will only be searching for the fob's presence after it has been unlocked manually. So is the car still vulnerable to same kind of attack just because it can be unlocked with the fob button? In the first case the car's computer is monitoring constantly for the presence of the fob in the vicinity, but it shouldn't be doing so anymore if I off it manually, it will only be listening for the button press instead, which can't be commandeered by a relay device in the same way, I think?

I don't know enough about it. More of a general car question then, but what I'm trying to ask is - are these two different means of entering the car with the fob materially different in terms of their susceptibility to theft. It seems like they are, so would powering off manually protect against that even if the fob wasn't pouched/boxed?

Also separately, does anyone know of any small pouches. All the ones I've seen are positively huge, not really pocketable when on the go.
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Post by 5thcivic »

this one is 11 cm by 7 cm

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08 ... 16511&th=1

this one 9 by 5 but thicker

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09 ... _704734141

I found some slightly smaller on eprey but links no longer work. They are very snug and just fit the key nicely and better in the pocket but will wear out every 6 or more months so it is worthwhile going up to the car with it closed now and then to see if the handles pop out to warn the metal coating has rubbed off with use.
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